The invitation and refusal
"Gospel singer is prevented from performing in the Catholic Church," says a news I received today. The body of the headline, however, left little leeway for doubt about what, exactly, happened.
The first sentence of the article reads: "The gospel singer Nery Nascimento, was prevented by the ministry of his Church, to accept the invitation to participate in the service of praise and worship in the Catholic Charismatic your city." Emphasis mine. It is the question: "Catholic Charismatic" refers to a group of Charismatic Renewal as part of a Roman Catholic parish, or refers to this schism in Bethlehem? The headline leads the reader to think about the first possibility, the first sentence in the second.
Anyway, all the text [followed by comments] except for the sentence above seems to believe that Roman Catholics are even. I question considering this possibility:
1. What comes to be a "cult of praise and worship"?
2. What was the purpose of such an invitation? Bringing the singer heretic [and / or their "ecclesial community"] of the true Church of Jesus Christ, or something else?
3. Exposure to "show-preaching" a gospel singer is not putting itself at risk Faith no explanation provided? All people who would participate in such a "cult of praise and worship" Faith had a mature enough not to be seduced by the singer's mistakes?
4. What is the wisdom of inviting a Protestant heretic for an ecumenical event (even granting, for benedicente, the whole point of those responsible for the invitation was genuine and properly ecumenical) before knowing whether he is docile or hostile to the invitation? Never read the Gospels should not be casting pearls before swine?
The questions are relevant. Among the comments made the news, one speaks of a priest who had once invited a deacon to the Sunday homily, and after talking to a heretic, this "converted the priest and almost half of those who heard the preaching." This means that swept away the Catholic Church of Our Lord.
I do not know if the story is true and, indeed, I believe there is, but it is obvious that there is always the possibility that a faithful Catholic to be seduced by the fallacies Protestants, so that should not expose him unnecessarily to the risk of losing personal Faith
I often see with concern the approximation of Catholics - and now do not speak anymore of this case of Mrs.. Nery birth, but from what I see in my everyday life - the singers Protestants, under the justification that the songs are religious and does not contain heresy. While it is true that most music does not contain explicitly Protestant heresies, the problem is not just that. Music Protestants are missing on central themes of Christian faith, so they are always incomplete. Music can induce the Protestant religious relativism, because "if it is Protestant fulaninho makes such beautiful songs of praise to the Lord, is because the Holy Spirit works through him." Music Protestants can gradually bring the soul into contact with the "culture" heretical Protestant and thus lead the faithful Catholic to lose faith Et cetera.
So I'm happy for Mrs.. Nery refused the invitation of the charismatic, the only possibility that may have been Catholics, the refusal of the heretic may deprive Catholics of being exposed to harmful situations and harmful to their souls. Just wonder where are the ministers responsible for these people: it must be the wolf away from the sheep voluntarily before the inertia of the legitimate pastors of the flock of the Lord is shameful.
Brand Promise says:
June 2nd, 2009 at 5:58 pm
Catholic Charismatic
VÉTERO CATHOLIC CHURCH
Brazilian Catholic Apostolic Church (ICAB)
Orthodox Church
Catholic Traditionalist
Roman Catholic Church post Vatican II
Roman Catholic Church (Sedevacantists)
Well, well, well. The so-called "Unity of Catholicism" does not exist.
More clear evidence that the division does not happen only in Protestantism.
The Catholic Church is divided and attack each other.
If the Catholic churches are wrestling each other because there is no unity in the Faith Each church is considered "The True Church."
With so many Catholic Churches which is true?
Jorge Ferraz says:
June 2nd, 2009 at 6:04 pm
Dear "Make the Promise"
The one with the Pope and submissive to the Pope, cum Petro et sub Petro. Because, as St. Ambrose said, where is the Pope, there is the Church: ubi Petrus, ibi Ecclesia.
Catechism of St. Pius X:
Hugs
Jorge
carlos says:
June 2nd, 2009 at 6:24 pm
All sects mentioned, even if there are schismatic. Therefore, none of them is part of the Catholic Church.
Carlos.
Francisco Silva de Castro says:
June 2nd, 2009 at 7:37 pm
"Roman Catholic Church post Vatican II" did not know who had founded it. Who has? The author of the topic confuses disagreement with rupture. I understand all the bishops and the Pope Própio accept the Vatican II ...
tht says:
June 2nd, 2009 at 10:41 pm
The real is that which derives catholicity of Christ and not the piracy of his name or corruption of its doctrine.
Julie Maria says:
June 2nd, 2009 at 11:20 pm
George, where I am now there was a "pastor" during a Mass on the side of the priest at the altar, all the time ... and in the end she urged with his bible-Catholics who attended Mass and the priest to rise, and "praise God, etc ".
Look, even though it was once and for reasons that now is not the point ... I was shocked. It seems that when the abuse is viewed as something "normal" really no limit to it.
Mercy. That our pastors actually become pastors and thereby contribute to the wolves disappear.
Julie Maria
Angela says:
June 3rd, 2009 at 2:42 pm
Dear George,
Why the surprise? The union with the Catholic charismatic Protestant heretics has always existed. From wantonly and outrageous. Just do not see who does not want.
In December 2006, I went to a Mass in Florianópolis / SC (I do Paraná) and it was torture only, from beginning to end we had to endure the music of Ana Paula Valadão Diante do Trono, and hours of dedication and I just my sister knelt.
The Mass lasted nearly two hours, the homily lasted over half an hour, and still had the "e praise worship" and another half hour of practice of the infamous charisma cda RCC. Healing and deliverance, prophecy, science, etc.., Etc.It to wind up with a golden key, had cake in the church, it was Father's birthday.
It strikes me, and much, people still can not see this movement fruit disastrous and horrific that is protestizando the Catholic Church, beginning with our Fathers.
How about we start to fight him for real before it's too late?
Hugs in Christ.
Cleber says:
June 3rd, 2009 at 4:55 pm
Gentlemen, Hail Mary!
If the news refers to as "charismatic Catholic church" instead of RCC, it is a malicious junction convenience, therefore, that the sect (ICC) said to be Catholic to arrogate to themselves the truth and divert uninformed Catholics , and is said to be charismatic by the RCC responsible for most of the "Catholics", but in fact, the ICC itself is more like "TL" for the "RC".
The same is "ordering" anyone who wants to, man, married or single, women, gay ... along with the excommunicated d. Milling. Does combat celibacy, joins to such "Catholic churches sisters" and says that the pope is the pope. And finally, is also "attached" to the TL and the tao "MPC" Moviento married priests who left the Church.
Finally, it is even a joint conveniêcias that no other than losing souls.
There is no point to access the link from this ICC is only going to anger.
Cleber
Anamaria says:
June 3rd, 2009 at 5:59 pm
The Protestant denying, was more consistent for practicing Catholics inviting ...
DFLD says:
June 4th, 2009 at 10:56 pm
Think absurd "invite a Protestant heretic to ..."
And to participate in the Second Vatican Council? It's what?
In this case the heretics were not Protestants or Protestants were heretics?
DFLD
Jorge Ferraz says:
June 4th, 2009 at 11:19 pm
DFLD,
Please, no cutouts. My phrase is "inviting a Protestant heretic for an ecumenical event (...) before knowing whether he is docile or hostile to the invitation." Note also, please, that "ecumenical" here has nothing to do with "ecumenical" ...
Hugs
Jorge
DFLD says:
June 5th, 2009 at 5:53 pm
Hello Jorge!
I will not longer use his phrase ... What I mean is that, more generally, are criticized when they call a heretic Protestant thing to participate in the Church (Worship etc.).
Then I asked:
"And to participate in the Second Vatican Council? It's what?
In this case the heretics were not Protestants or Protestants were heretics? "
DFLD
Jorge Ferraz says:
June 5th, 2009 at 9:18 pm
DFLD,
Only an Ecumenical Council is something quite different. Even in Trento had Protestants, including safe-conduct.
Hugs
Jorge
DFLD says:
June 6th, 2009 at 9:40 am
But George, if this Council was convened in the context of counter-reform, that way [that] there was this involvement of Protestant heretics?
Teresa says:
June 6th, 2009 at 10:35 am
Dear George,
Hail Mary!
I think we are all here looking for the truth and, within each of their position, judges defend it as best as possible, serve her and love her.
Well, completely unaware of the existence of the Protestant Council of Trent. You could better explain your statement? There were protesters at the Council of Trent? If so, how do you know? Where the read / seen? There are reliable sources that? And if it confirms what you say, what was the degree of participation of heretics at the Council dogmatic?
It must be fine-tuned because it could be thought that the participation of heretics at the Council of Trent dogmatic requirement could be in some way, the absurd and totally out of logic participation of Protestants in the ill-fated CVII.
Now I do not believe in it at all. If there were heretics in the Holy Council of Trent, will certainly not been for that they were asked their opinion about the Mass or of our Catholic doctrine that was, we know what happened in V2.
It is this kind of participation - active - that the friend referred Dfld in relation to CVII and I do not believe, again, that took place in Trento.
A hug in Christ and a good end-of-week!
Deus lo Vult! 'Heretics, schismatics and Ecumenical says:
June 6th, 2009 at 3:34 pm
[...] By some comments that have arisen in another post in which I talked about an invitation to an American Protestant, by a charismatic group [which, again, not sure if this is a group of Catholic Charismatic Renewal], [ ...]